Arnprior Coyote cull still on

January 28, 2011 70d Comments

Kudos to Al Mills of Als Corner Store for getting the green light to continue his coyote cull!

To read more, check out top story in today’s Ottawa SUN

OUTDOORSGUY

70 thoughts on “Arnprior Coyote cull still on”

  1. Couldn’t agree more. Mr MIlls is a stand up guy who will fight for what he belives in. These contests are not illegal despite whe the PETA twits would have us belive. Otherwise the ministry’s own hats for hides program would also be illegal.

  4. Kudos?, Humans and animals are beautiful and to allow something thsat treats them this way to happen despite the fact that it’s illegal is a trajedy that will show itself in time.

  5. The animal activists are using the angle” it is an offence to hunt for gain, or to induce another person to hunt for gain.” This is not a new concept people, fisherman have been doing it for years with fishing contest etc. Hunters enter big buck contests,largest turkey and so on, and have been awarded prizes for decades.
    As for the comment regarding the MNR obtaining 76% of it revenue for licensing, this is not new concept and believe me I have never witnessed an MNR officer giving anyone including myself a break regarding MNR laws just because I spent my hard earned dollars on hunting licenses. Without license revenue the MNR would be in big trouble financially. During any recession the MNR is usually hit the hardest.

  6. just goes to show you how far they’ll go, from reading adam’s incoherent post above, I’m guessing he has convinced himself that what is going on is illegal, when it has not been proven to be, and obviously the provincial government had been in touch with Al to tell him it’s totally legal. These people should not only learn to read, they should be taught how to comprehend what they read. Adam, the government told this guy what he was doing was legal, totally legal

    As far as the license money going to the MNR, I certainly think that that is a good thing, where do you think your license money for driving permits go? I just wish the MNR would get more money

    Don’t forget to vote
    http://www.ottawasun.com/poll/

  7. I guess Al Mills needs a long metal pole in the form of a gun to substitute for the feeling of being a man. (The remainder of this comment was moderated and removed)

    1. Robert, if you continue to resort to childish name-calling, your comments will be removed altogether.

      Outdoorsguy

  8. First: Like all the other hunts out there, the MNR bases bag limits (or lack thereof) on population numbers and the carrying capacity of the area.

    Second: Real life is not disney, animals die from predation the bulk of the time. Rarely do they just lay down and die. And if they do, its often caused by disease spread through over population (look at chronic wasting disease)

    Third: While statistically, coyotes aren’t much of a problem to humans, they are most assuredly a problem for farmers and other animals. Like it or not, your food costs will go up because of predation. Your misunderstanding of how nature works will not take money out of a farmers pocket, he will pass the costs on to you.

    Forth: Hunts are typically 10-15% successful, there aren’t that many hunters these days, so even with this contest, they won’t hurt the population too bad, but, will lower the pressure on the carrying capacity.

    I could go on, but, my point has been made.

  9. I think Robert has been watching to many soaps.Don’t you love these guy’s that call into question your manhood just because you enjoy something that they do not. Robert let your wife speak for you it won’t look so bad.
    Congrats to Al for sticking to his guns. But we should not keep quoting the fact that it is a legal activity because we could be one vote away from it being illegal. Instead of it being called a coyote contest with a prize for the most gotten it should be a raffle and the prizes drawn at the end with a big get together.The hunters south of the border take there hunting seriously and regularly have big parties or get togethers at the end of events.It also shows strength in numbers.

  10. Jeff, If I send you a photo of a coyote with mange would you post it ? Maybe if these bleeding heart animal rights anarchists see the sufferring that these varmints go through due to over population maybe, just maybe they’ll be greatful that someone is reducing the population.

    Having said that however. I am a firm believer in controlling these so called culls and bountys so that populations are not completely eliiminated.

    1. Trapper, YES..please send it along..having seen Mange myself firsthand, I think it might be beneficial for others to see what can happen…

      Sorry about the slow mods..I was away in Orlando last week, just got back yesterday.

      Outdoorsguy

  12. Trapper don’t sweat the moderation. It is not personal. Most of my posts are moderated.

    I received a beautiful male coyote yesterday for a life-size mount. His coat was in great shape and he was fat.

    Feb. is a great month to get out there and hunt coyotes. It is there breeding season and they tend to be more visible during daylight

  14. hahaha ya it’s an extention of my manhood.
    these fringe people need to see a doctor
    I know you do a good job with this blog OG
    but these people should just be deleted as
    soon as they start their fanatical rants.
    Non hunters see their posts and think there
    are many people who agree with them when it’s
    really only a few.
    I hope everyone voted

  15. just wondering what the results of the pole were but it’s gone.
    What’s the point of a pole if the next day it’s gone or is there a place
    to review previous polls

    1. Iggy, in the same link you provided you’ll see ‘Archive’ right below it and there are the results from the “Should coyote contests be legal” poll.
      which ended up as 60% YES and 40% NO…guess we know what public opinion says, I’m impressed.

      Speaking of coyotes…to give you an example of how things have changed out my way, two weeks ago on a fairly major street less than 5 minutes from Orleans,
      a coyote stood beside the road and watched as I drove by in bright daylight around 4 PM. It wasn’t until I slowed the car down that he even moved, then slowly jumped the fence and stood in the field about 75 feet away looking at me. I have lived out here for 12 years and have never seen a coyote do that in all that time. He had to have crossed at least 4 people’s properties to get there without a care in the world…that was about 2 miles from my house where the only deer left in this area are yarding..the deer that once yarded behind my house I might add!

      To me, seeing a coyote as brazen as that IS A FRIKIN PROBLEM!!!

      Outdoorsguy

      Outdoorsguy

  16. many of you are missig the point. I am not someone who openly accepts what he hears. I apologize for perhaps not reading into things more and perhaps the minstery did tell Al that what he was doing was legal. But I can’t understand why the legality of the issue seems to be a justification for the event. If my post seemed incoherent maybey its becasue I didn’t much care for appearing unbiased. I care about life in general and sometimes I have no need to justify my comments with arguments that distance themselves from the issue of animal rights alltogether. Why is my argument so important, why can’t some people just think a bit about things instead of search for arguments (strong or weak), that fit their opinions. What is happening now is such a bad thing. Animals and people are special beings. I can’t say why, I can just feel it. AND as a reply to Iggy, I don’t drive and refuse to drive for my own reasons so I don’t care about the MNR insofar as they provide me with driving permits. More importantly, sure the MNR would be negatively affected if the cull would cease, and sure that would perhaps affect people (like driving permits) but that doesn’t necessaril mean that it should therefore keep going. Society is like a web where the changing of one thing affects the changing of another thing, but to claim that the web is a good thing on the whole is perhaps being shortsighted. Stopping the coyote cull would surely effect other people, but there is much in society that needs to change and who has any knowledge about where to start and which organizations are just and which are not. The main poin is that the world needs to love. Its a wonderful place, i think, and soon it may burn becasue of what we are doing to it. Maybey some people whu see coyote’s as a problem should find alternative ways to ADAPT to their presense. Mabey some people don’t know why in their heart coyote’s are bad in any way. Maybey they have simply gotten used to that idea without knowing why? sorry for the spelling.

  19. I have read and re-read Adam’s response in attempt to understand his point.

    QUOTE “many of you are missig the point. ”

    I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UNLIKE ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUPS, WE AS HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS ARE NOT MISSING THE POINT BUT RATHER WE ARE SINCERELY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE POINT AND ARE PREPARED TO ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE BUT FOR SOME REASON ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUPS CANNOT DO THAT AND RESORT TO ANARCHIST TACTICS.

    QUOTE: “I am not someone who openly accepts what he hears. I apologize for perhaps not reading into things more and perhaps the minstery did tell Al that what he was doing was legal. But I can’t understand why the legality of the issue seems to be a justification for the event.”

    THE LAST SENTENCE IN THIS PARAGRAPH MAY IN FACT BE ADAM’S MAIN POINT. WHY CAN ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUPS NOT ACCEPT THE ‘DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS’ THEORY AND MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS ?

    QUOTE: “If my post seemed incoherent maybey its becasue I didn’t much care for appearing unbiased.”

    WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS ?

    QUOTE: “I care about life in general and sometimes I have no need to justify my comments with arguments that distance themselves from the issue of animal rights alltogether.

    THIS IS A BIT CONTRADICTORY DON’T YOU THINK. YOU CHOOSE TO COME HERE AND OFFER AN UNBIASED OPINION KNOWING FULL WELL THAT YOUR ARE. DOES THIS TACTIC NOT CREATE AN ARGUMENT THAT DISTANCES ITSELF FROM THE ISSUE OF ANIMAL RIGHTS ALTOGETHER ?

    QUOTE: “Why is my argument so important”

    BECAUSE IT’S THE ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUPS WHO ARE ALWAYS ON THE OFFENSIVE. UNFORTUNATELY THEY CANNOT HANDLE OPPOSING OPINIONS OR IN SOME CASES THE TRUTH (LIKE POPULATION MAMAGEMENT, DISEASE OR FEARLESS PREDATION)

    QUOTE: “why can’t some people just think a bit about things instead of search for arguments (strong or weak), that fit their opinions.”

    WHEN’S THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD A HUNTING OR TRAPPING GROUP PUBLICLY GO ON THE OFFENSIVE TO JUSTIFY THEIR RIGHT TO HUNT AND TRAP ? WE ARE HAPPY WITH CONDUCTING THE PRACTICE WITHIN IN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW WHICH ARE CREATED WITH RESOURCE MANAGEMENT IN MIND.

    QUOTE: “What is happening now is such a bad thing. Animals and people are special beings. I can’t say why, I can just feel it.:

    ON SECOND THOUGHT MAYBE THE LAST SENTENCE OF THIS PARAGRAPH IS ADAM’S MAIN POINT. SADLY THIS IS THE SAME OPINION AND JUSTIFICATION OF MANY ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUPS.

    IF THESE GROUPS WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS THEY WOULD QUICKLY LEARN THAT WE TREAT AND LOVE ANIMALS MORE PATIONATELY THAN THEY DO. WE JUST UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND TO MANAGE A GROUP OF BEINGS WHO DON’T POSSESS THE KNOWLEDGE SKILLS AND ABILITIES REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A HEALTHY POPULATION AND CONTROL DESTRUCTION (IN THE CASE OF BEAVER)

  20. CONT’D…..

    QUOTE: “AND as a reply to Iggy, I don’t drive and refuse to drive for my own reasons so I don’t care about the MNR insofar as they provide me with driving permits. More importantly, sure the MNR would be negatively affected if the cull would cease, and sure that would perhaps affect people (like driving permits) but that doesn’t necessaril mean that it should therefore keep going.”

    NOT SURE WHAT ADAM’S POINT IS HERE I’M THINKING THIS WAS HIS ATTEMPT AT A METAPHOR. I’LL LEAVE THIS ONE FOR IGGY TO RESPOND TO.

    QUOTE: “Society is like a web where the changing of one thing affects the changing of another thing, but to claim that the web is a good thing on the whole is perhaps being shortsighted”

    THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT WHEN I SAY QUOTE: “I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN CONTROLLING THESE SO CALLED CULLS AND BOUNTYS SO THAT POPULATIONS ARE NOT COMPLETELY ELIMINATED”. YOU SEE ADAM, WE ARE NOT ALL BARBARIC ANIMAL KILLERS THAT THE ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUPS HAVE PAINTED US TO BE.

    QUOTE: “Stopping the coyote cull would surely effect other people,but there is much in society that needs to change and who has any knowledge about where to start and which organizations are just and which are not”

    IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO ALLOW SOMETHING TO CONTINUE THAT CREATES A DANGER OR CAUSES DAMAGE.

    DO YOU NOT THINK THAT WE HUMANS ON EARTH ARE THE SUPREME BEING AND HAVE PROGRESSED INTELECTUALLY TO THE POINT THAT WE UNDERSTAND ALL OTHERS AND THAT OUR DECISIONS MAY IN FACT BE THE RIGHT ONES ? I AGREE THAT WE SOMETIMES MAKE MISTAKES BUT WE LEARN FROM THEM.

    NOW THIS RESPONCE MAY PLAY RIGHT INTO YOUR HAND AND I ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO SAY SO I SAY ONCE AGAIN THAT A “CONTROLLED CULL” IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.

    QUOTE: “The main poin is that the world needs to love. Its a wonderful place, i think, and soon it may burn becasue of what we are doing to it.”

    YOU WON’T FIND A HUNTER OR A TRAPPER WHO DOESN’T SUPPORT THE PUNISHING OF THOSE WHO TRULY HARM ANIMALS. IN FACT MOST HUNTERS AND TRAPPERS AGREE THAT THE PUNISHMENT IS USUALLY NOT HARSH ENOUGH.

    AS FOR THE WORLD BURNING AS A RESULT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING TO IT. THIS OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW DEBATE ON THE FACT THAT “FUR” IS 100% ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND A RENEWABLE RESOURCE UNLIKE THE GARMENTS OF TODAY INCLUDING POLAR FLEECE, COTTON, NYLON, ETC…

    QUOTE: “Maybey some people whu see coyote’s as a problem should find alternative ways to ADAPT to their presense”

    I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MNR DOES ON A DAILY BASIS BUT THERE COMES A POINT WHERE A CULL IS THE ONLY ANSWER.

    IF YOUR ROOF LEAKS, HOW MANY BUCKETS WOULD YOU USE TO CATCH THE WATER BEFORE YOU REPLACED THE SHINGLES ?

    QUOTE: “Mabey some people don’t know why in their heart coyote’s are bad in any way. Maybey they have simply gotten used to that idea without knowing why?”

    I ASK YOU THIS, ‘ONCE WE DO KNOW AND THE POPULATION AND BEHAVIOR IS STILL OUT OF HAND, WOULD A CULL BE…

    1. Well done Trapper!!

      Iggy asked in another post why I dont delete seemingly incoherent comments, and I told him it was really in the hunters’ best interest to allow everyone a chance to comment.now, by seeing how Trapper picked Adam’s comments apart piece by piece is precisely why I let everyone share an opinion.

      I think most readers here will soon realize that wise conservation is the only reasonable way to go…not a bounty on every animal’s head but to watch over and control population numbers.

      Great job again Trapper..tks for your time (& photos) and for your obvious experiance in wildlife management!

      Outdoorsguy

      1. Mike Blaney, Vice President of the Osgoode Township Fish, Game Conservation Club, recently shared with me his thoughts regarding the media coverage of this, and other ‘coyote culls’.

        His message is posted below:

        It seems to me that the media has confused this issue and as a result misquoted or misrepresented facts. Perhaps you could include this in your blog if you agree with my comments.

        The coyote debate has been a challenge for the executive of our club – community responses range from “two thumbs up” to threatening letters and phone calls. Most of the negative feedback (in my opinion) is due to misinformation from the media and from ‘official comments’ made by persons who are not informed on the subject. Hopefully the following comments will help define the real issue and the Club’s roll in it.

        Cull: “To pick out from others; select.” The word ‘cull’ has a negative connotation to most people because it is interpreted as “eradicate”. Culling is what the City attempted to do when it hired a trapper to target specific problem animals. Culling is what a farmer does when he shoots a coyote in his sheep pen.

        The Club’s contest is not a cull, nor is it a hunt. The Club has never been directly involved with organising hunting activities. The contest is a ballet draw available to only those who participate in coyote hunting, the same way a ‘big buck’ contest or a fishing derby works. By sponsoring a contest the Club is also promoting membership in the club and ultimately recruiting volunteers and resources for our other community events.

        Cancelling the contest will not stop individual and group hunters from hunting; the contest is here because of hunting activity – not the other way around.

        “Culls given green light by MNR”: MNR has not given culls a green light; that is not even part of the issue. Cull and contest are two separate topics. The MNR has stated that having a contest (coyote, big buck, fishing derby) is legal. It is also legal for licensed hunters, acting within the law, to shoot coyotes. If MNR was to decide that ‘culls’ were illegal (therefore hunting was illegal) then our contest would receive no participants.

        Inducing someone to hunt for gain; the intention of the Act (IMO) is to make it illegal for hunters (and fishermen) to harvest game specifically for profit (commercial fisheries aside). You offering me money to harvest a “wall hanger” buck for you is illegal. If the interpretation of the Act were that these contests are illegal then all such contests should end, including fishing derbies. Bob Izumi would be out of work. The issue is not “inducing someone to hunt” because that is what the MNR does by promoting hunting and what we do as parents encouraging our children to participate. The Ontario Wildlife Commission is picking on what constitutes ‘gain’. There are several counties in Ontario that currently offer bounties on coyotes, is this not a better example of “inducing to hunt for gain”?

        A contest is not a license to break the law. Barrhaven Coucillor Jan Harder stated last year “I can’t see us taking guns and shooting them in Barrhaven.” Others expressed concern that rednecks were going to invade urban areas and endanger residents. Hunters by and large are the more responsible individuals in our communities. Extensive hunter safety training, licensing, gun registration and enforcement by MNR and police ensure that hunting activities are done legally and safely.

        Sincerely,

        Mike Blaney

        Vice President

        Osgoode Twp Fish, Game and Conservation Club

  21. Good post Trapper, only problem is, it seems like he probably won’t take the time to read it,
    and certainly won’t try to understand it.

    Last word I have for Adam, and I mean this in a very respectable way.
    You do your thing, and if you don’t like to hunt, don’t
    If you don’t like to trap, don’t
    but keep your nose out of other peoples business
    cause it’s none of yours

  23. Tapper listened to this on the news they said there is no law against shooting dogs for a “cull” the problem is with how he did it . your suposed to take the animals one at a time and shoot them with one good shot. and they dont know at the time i listened to this this morning if that was done . they were investagating where the animals where shot and if they were in a pen together and were shot in a group which would make it illeagle . ( i for one am sickened by what was done) but i know some guys that are proud of the breed they have in a dog and if the bitch throws some dogs that will not hunt they are destroyed. that is just the way it is

  25. You’ve been banned Chess…….LOL

    I used the word arsehole and that avoided the moderation police

  26. lol would not be the FIRST SITE lmfao that said. My post was listened to it on the radio there is nothing illegal about shooting a dog as long as it is done quickly and efficiently. I don’t agree with shooting dogs but even some breeders kill dogs that don’t meet breed standards

  27. trapper,
    i like your style, and you obviously know what your saying. though I would like to respectively point out that you assume too much. I am a philosophy student and meaningful dialogue wherein both sides appreciate the other works for me. I believe I let my passion get the best of me. I never agreed with the one-sided arguments that militant animal rights advocates use to prove a point. I do, however, have one question; why is it that you believe that “…WE HUMANS ON EARTH ARE THE SUPREME BEING AND HAVE PROGRESSED INTELECTUALLY TO THE POINT THAT WE UNDERSTAND ALL OTHERS AND THAT OUR DECISIONS MAY IN FACT BE THE RIGHT ONES ?” and consequently why do you believe that a controlled cull is acceptable? I ask this becasue it seems it is where we diverge from eachother.

  28. I never suggested that shooting a dog was illegal. In fact I am in favor of this method vs flopping a dog on a stainless steel table at a vet’s office for the last time. In the past 3 years I had to put down two of our dogs with this method. Both were life long family pets and were both in their 17th year but were sufferring from various ailments.

    I have no quams about how this owner put down his dogs and I don’t buy into the fact that the other remaining dogs were traumatised by the event . This arsehole killed over 100 of his healthy dogs simply because business was slow and they were now in the way. In this case these dogs were trained sled dogs, I’m sure there are many inuit families that would gladly have taken them.

    This arsehole should never be allowed to own a dog again.

  29. Hey we should tie a pork chop around this guys neck and let the coyotes have there way with him . !!!!!

  30. QUOTE: “why is it that you believe that “…WE HUMANS ON EARTH ARE THE SUPREME BEING AND HAVE PROGRESSED INTELECTUALLY TO THE POINT THAT WE UNDERSTAND ALL OTHERS AND THAT OUR DECISIONS MAY IN FACT BE THE RIGHT ONES ?”

    CERTAINLY WE AGREE THAT WE AS HUMAS ARE MORE INTELECTUALLY ADVANCED THAN LETS SAY; SEWER RATS, CATS, DOGS AND OF COURSE COYOTES.

    quote: “and consequently why do you believe that a controlled cull is acceptable? I ask this becasue it seems it is where we diverge from eachother”

    WHETHER IN FACT A CULL IS REQUIRED I AM NOT YET CONVINCED HOWEVER IF IT IS THEN I FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE TO POLICE IT.

  31. we are the smartest animals on earth, we collect food and store it(canned, dried, frozen), we make tools to help us in our day to day life (the wheel, computers, building tools) we speak a language that other animals can learn.
    WE ARE THE SUPREME ANIMAL
    thanks for understanding Adam
    Oh another thing, I don’t beleive this is a “cull”
    I think it’s just hunting

    1. Iggy, Trapper:

      I too have always believed we humans are more intellectually advanced than our fish & game..you know, top of the food chain, etc..but after reading some comments on this post I am beginning to question all that….

      The old Darwin Theory of Natural Selection’ comes into play here and must never be discounted…whereby all species are derived from common ancestors through a process called natural selection and resulting in the diversity of species and their genomes.

      Basically Darwin’s theory boils down to ‘survival of the fittest’….not every animal (or human) is equipped with the same coping or survival skills as the next..some are simply smarter; able to adapt and live longer..

      ‘Most’ but not all humans, I would say, fall into that category…..

      Outdoorsguy

  32. If adam is a philosophy student Jeff he will tell you there is no such thing as dawins theory of natural selection Becasuse no such thing as survival of the fittest , it is called Survival Of The Most Adaptable ,sorry could not resist. In order for us to hunt large numbers of deer and turkeys the coyotes must die.But with that said in order for coyotes to live they must also die as there numbers have grown to a greater number than nature can hold so mother nature being the bitch that she is gives us cold tempatures and lots of snow and mange.

  33. JEFF have you changed the way comments are awaiting mod. i posted something and it does not show up i tried to cut and paste it and it says i already posted it ?

    1. Hold on Chessy, let me look on my end…I used to see everything..which post was it attached too??

      Outdoorsguy

      1. Ok, sorry Chess, I just dug two of your comments out of the ‘Spam Vault’..musta been my subconscious getting you back for the philosophy student jab…hehe

        Guess I had better keep a closer eye on things!

        Outdoorsguy

  34. Jeff, you’re a busy man. You should entrust me with the log in name and password for the blog and I will moderate it for you……..;)

    1. Ahh Trapper, I do appreciate the offer but alas, the Blog is a labour of love..besides, Ive got something really exciting in the works for next week!

      If you’d like to help though..I’m just starting the Wild Game book..if you (or anyone else) would like to share some wild game cooking tips and stories, please send them along!!

      Thanks

      Outdoorsguy

    2. Trapper, I meant to ask earlier..how are the coyotes out your way…besides having the Mange…do you have a lot of them around relatively speaking?

      How many did you catch so far this winter, if I’m allowed to ask? (I know some guys are hush hush about those sort of things)

      I was always told by my Dad back when I was a kid and we first trapped together. “Now Jeffrey, they’re gonna ask you how many beaver you caught today, but dont you tell them!”

      You see, my parents owned a Hotel in the laurentians, so there were always bar flies around pumping me for information…and all I would ever say is “Hey, Im not talking!”

      Outdoorsguy

  35. I thought trapper was right .. that i had gotten the boot… this would have been one of the better sites i got kick out of lol.

  37. That’s funny…..Some day I’ll explain why your dad told you that if you haven’t figured it out yet…hehehe.

    As for the yotes (Actually we get brush wolves). We’re up to 12 (4 had to be destroyed due to bad mange.). Now to the non trapper 12 may not sound like many but the wolf is the hardest of all critters to trap so we’re pretty proud of this number. We’re still trapping them though so that number may go up. I’ll let you know come year end reporting time…..

    1. Trapper, I do understand why my father told me that..and we’ve been laughing about it for yours..people in that generation were a lot more closed-mouth about things than folks today…maybe it wasn’t a bad thing.

      I too have always called them ‘brush wolves’…and had once thought brush wolves and eastern coyotes were seperate and distinct..that appears not to be true.

      Outdoorsguy

  38. Jeff i see in an earlier print that you want people to send in there recipes. There is an outstanding group on facebook that has strictly wild game and fish recipes. I myself have used a number of them already and with some of the southern twists added they are great.The site is called “recipes for game meat and fish”. Enjoy

    1. Hey Paul, thanks so much for the wild game recipe tip…I am actually pretty squared away for the recipes themselves..but if you have any personal stories of interest regarding cooking wildgame..ya know, while outdoors or at hunt camp during the season or whatever, please send them along!

      You see, each of my recipes contain a short (approx 100 word) anecdote; somehow related to the dish in question…I included a lot of neat little hunting & fishing cooking stories here in my first two cookbooks (Wild Fish & Outdoor Cooking)..and the Wild Game book I’m onto now should be the most fun of all!

      So everyone, let er rip!!

      Outdoorsguy

  39. QUOTE; “I too have always called them ‘brush wolves’…and had once thought brush wolves and eastern coyotes were seperate and distinct..that appears not to be true.”

    I disagree Jeff. In my opinion there are 3 sizes.
    1) Timber wolves
    2)Brush wolves
    3)Coyotes

    Telling one from the other can be a challenge. There is a distict difference between the Timber wolf and the Coyote. A Brush wolf however is simply a large coyote or a small timber wolf.

    Sometimes refered to as a hybrid, but I’m not convinced they are the result of cross breeding but rather their habitat.

    When you see a urban coyote it appears scronny and insignificant. A Timber wolf is large and impressive with larger head and face and round ears. They are majestic. A brush wolf is somewhere in the middle, Possibly due to it maintaining a natural existence of hunting etc as opposed to living off small dogs, stray cats, and garbage.

  40. I re-read you post. And I do agree with you that they are not seperate and distinct but they are definately different.

    1. Trapper, that is precisely the breakdown I was always taught…and from a reliable source my College Prof, I might add…who was a wildlife biology expert!

      It was explained that the ‘brush wolf’ was a ‘product of evolution’ so to speak..a descendant of the eastern(once western cousin) coyote..and following some transformation over the years including a strong likelihood of hybridization with the timber wolf.. had produced a new version of the eastern coyote with very ‘wolf like’ attributes..shorter ears…wider nose pad…larger body…etc..

      So, that’s the breakdown I had always believed…1) eastern coyote, 2)brush wolf and 3) timber wolf…oh yes, and I had heard about the hybrid ‘coydog’ as well but was really unsure as to their existence.

      BUT……if you recall that debate I had last year with the self-proclaimed Wolf-coyote Expert who thought I was scum of the earth for feeding deer(Course, since all my deer have now been killed or displaced by coyotes, I haven’t heard from her) She claimed, if you recall, (according to her research) that ‘brush wolf’ was just a nickname for eastern coyote…so I began doubting myself.

      You see what the animal rights people can do to us!

      Outdoorsguy

  42. QUOTE: Scientists tell us the best way to address problems with coyotes is to enforce leash laws and wildlife feeding ordinances and reinstill a wariness of humans in them,” Rosmarino said.

    Reead more here: http://livinggaia.blogspot.com/2009/04/coyote-problem-in-colorado.html

    Coyotes everywhere…..

    ALGOMA DISTRICT:

    http://www.wawa-news.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8019&Itemid=134

    http://www.wawa-news.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8016&Itemid=134

    OWEN SOUND:
    http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2922290

    KENTUCKY:

    http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for37/for37.htm

    SEATLE:

    http://twocatsandcounting.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/coyotes-scat-and-cats/

    1. You know Trapper, you’re going to waste out there!!

      I think you should give it all up and become a biologist..or maybe get into natural resources law enforcement..we dont have nearly enough of those guys!!

      Outdoorsguy

  43. jeff, you must of had dirty ted as a prof. he was pretty much up to date on his biology.
    coming from up north, i have seen my share of wolves, and the ones down here are puny compared to a timber wolf. i have also been seeing a increasing number of coyotes on my drive back home in the fields also during the day. the other day, a co-worker of mine went to get in his truck to come to work and almost bump into one. the scary part is that it was not even worried a bit of him. he is kind of hoping his neighbors take care of him soon.
    i also have some stories of eating wild game in the bush. i will try to send you an email about one particullar duck hunt i had with my dad. good luck with the book.
    cheers jaye

    1. Hey jaye…I forgot you went to SSFC!!

      YES, I certainly did have dirty Ted Warren as a prof…went to a few parties with that guy I’ll tell you..even used him as a reference once for a job years ago, he was a great guy…but actually, the real big-game expert there was Tom Harrison, man, he knew his stuff!

      Thanks for the note jaye, hope all is well with you and I look forward to reading your story!

      Outdoorsguy

  44. Trapper well done. I’ve been down and out with the flue this week and just catching up today. You’ve made so many good well informed points and also passed on the truth once again that we are not babarians like the anti’s like to paint us

  45. WoW Jeff you just made his head bigger ! but your right .. he should get some more education i know trent has some DCO that work there . mabey a semester at trent and he will fit right in

    1. Actually Chessy, what I meant was he has a strong interest in big-game/fur management..perhaps he could turn it into a carreer..of course, Im sure work in that field is about as few and far between as it was when I graduated back in 1992!

      Outdoorsguy

  46. Jeff was talking to a warden the other day while having coffee. he had a another co with him they brought him out of the lab for 6 weeks. for ice fishing . apparently they are doing that alot now bringing people that are qualified to have a gun out in the field for short but high volume times . which in my eyes is better than having 50 full time when they might only need 10 . but we need new officers for sure

  47. Thanks for the vote of confidence but I learned long ago that if you wanna spoil a hobby then just mix it with work. As of Feb 28 2018 I’m done telling people what they shouldn’t be doing and I can hardly wait. This new generation is …….well, let’s just say “it’s a new generation”

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