Long gun registry and frontline police

August 25, 2010 68d Comments

  longgun

(Photo of Outdoors Guy with a fine looking long gun)

Man, who would have believed we’d still be discussing long gun registry after all these years, but here we are. 

And with the cancellation of the beleaguered gun registry finally on the horizon, out of the blue we hear from the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police; speaking out in favour of saving it?

Hello?

I couldn’t believe it when I heard. Obviously there is a lot more going on here than we know. 

Even a poll done recently by Edmonton Police Const. Randy Kuntz showed that 92% of the 2,631 front-line police who participated, felt the long gun registry was not an effective crime fighting tool.

Of course we knew that already.

Can someone please explain to me how this is possible?

It reminds me of when the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) union head spoke out during an election, in support of the Bloc Quebecois. If you can believe it, this woman actually had the gall to encourage union members to vote Bloc. Fortunately common sense reined and free-thinking members ignored her plea.

My guess is the same will happen with Bill C-68, and it will be put out to pasture where it belongs, regardless of what the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has to say.

Outdoorsguy

(Bonus points for anyone who can tell me what kind of rifle that is)

68 thoughts on “Long gun registry and frontline police”

  1. There are certainly very mixed feelings about the gun registry, but a poll conducted by a member of the Police Service does not amount to good data and should in no way be considered actionable.

    The current government’s perceived lack of appreciation for the critical lack of bias behind proper polling appears to be spreading.

  2. union bosses trying to keep union jobs. or just keeping people employed at a high cost to the tax payer

  3. David, I’m not sure how much actual weight this poll carries, in so far as being ‘actionable’…although it does offer an inkling of where opinions in that department lie…

    Outdoorsguy

  4. Decisions of the OACP never cease to amaze me……

    Jeff, are there two triggers on that firearm (one to set the trigger and another to release)

  8. Trapper, you are on pretty darn close..it is a Mauser..but not a Mannlicher which typically has two triggers (including a set trigger)….I know a fellow who owns a Mannlicher actually, and our rifles are nearly identical… down to what they call the ‘butter knife’ bolt..cept mine is much more rare!

    Awesome gun!!

    Outdoorsguy

  10. It was the butterknife bolt and the extended forestock that gave it away. Mauser also made one with a ‘set trigger’.

    Anyone who has never shot a firearm with this type of system should add that to their bucket list. They truly are amazing.

  11. Trapper, that rifle is an original German Waffenfabrik Mauser…made in Orberndorf Germany..which makes it rare to be sure..but what makes it extremely rare is that mine is 30-06 calibre..most early original Mauser’s were 7.65 X 53 and were military rifles. Mine was marketed as a civilian rifle or sporting arm…and was sold in very few numbers in the US caliber 30-06.

    It is a far cry from the military Mausers and even head of Mannlicher in my opinion..I have read that this original Mauser bolt action is the best ever produced…and trust me, if you ever held this rifle it is perfectly balanced and a real work of art in my opinion.

    My gunsmith nearly died when I asked to get a scope mounted on it..that was after he tried to purchase it from me..hehe

    Outdoorsguy

  13. Everyone has their prized possession I suppose..that’s mine!

    Ok Trapper, as a prize for almost getting it right you get to keep the rifle..hehe

    Outdoorsguy

  14. After many years the government will finally admit their mistake.. although it won’t quite go like that. It will always be someone else’s fault. The consequence of this knee-jerk action is that millions of taxpayer money was lost and my dad destroyed his two rifles rather than go through the trouble and cost of keeping them. The former will no doubt trump the latter but I was looking forward to inheriting these beautiful nickel plated rifles. I would have most likely never shot them but it still would have been a nice family heirloom.

  15. That’s a bloody shame Dan…my gem was passed down to me by a great uncle…who passed away just 3 weeks ago…God rest his soul.

    Outdoorsguy

    1. There are many different opinions when it comes to the gun registry and in my opinion fear plays a role in all of them.

      You know, I really feel for guys like Dan who missed out on an opportunity to own a piece of his family heritage. Part of his father’s legacy was lost to him because of fear from the gun registry. You know how many stories I’ve heard like this where beautiful safe firearms were simply dumped off at local police stations because honest gun owners were either too scared to keep them, were intimidated into not willing them to their sons or daughters, or like Dan’s Dad just so pissed off with the whole thing they’d simply given up.

      I was fortunate to have inherited several firearms before Bill C-68 came into effect..and had them all registered by the way, not because I agreed with the process, but like most others I was fearful of losing them forever.

      And in case things go really bad, my father and I will be transferring all his firearms over to me in the next few months BEFORE he passes on. I know the Registry is SUPPOSE to have that provision when settling an estate, but again fear has us thinking that these guns may someone not make to me when my Dad dies.

      By the way, every last one of my father’s rifles and shotguns are registered..again out of fear, but I know of lots of people who never registered their guns at all. I suppose fear and pride manifest itself in different ways with different people.

      I ask you, why should honest and respectful hunters/conservationists have to live with so much fear in their life because of Bill C-68, aren’t there enough stresses in our life already?

      Its not bloody right if you ask me!

      Outdoorsguy

      P.S. This fall my Dad turns 80 and will be celebrating his 68th deer season. In my opinion he has better things to worry about than the gun registry…

  16. @David Newland says

    do you have more accurate polling, if not, may I recommend you get it, or stop denying the facts
    I know I shouldn’t do this, but in the other local newspaper today there is a letter to the editor, from a retired policeman, whos father was also a policeman, as a matter of fact, his father was the police chief for the City of Ottawa, and they felt the same way as this Edmonton policeman.
    Face it, it’s another BILLION DOLLAR boondogle. It does nothing to make the streets safer, never has, never will.
    It’s politics, at it’s worst

  17. just heard on the radio that a liberal has motioned that it go to a special commitee .. so there may not be another reading in september .

  18. stall stall stall, that’s the new tactic, but if the Cosv. let this drag on much longer, we’ll be into another election, and that’s what the LIEberals want

  21. “a poll conducted by a member of the police service does not amount to good data” ok what does amount to good data.92% of 2,631 front line officers that this registry was supposed to help protect and they feel its useless. the gun registry would not have stopped the slaughter at o.c. transpo. it doesnt stop the street gangs and bikers etc..
    anyone else find it funny that at certain stores when you go in to buy amunition you cannot touch them
    , open the box or carry them to the cash. But you can pick up an axe and walk around as long as you please. you can try out swinging a baseball bat.i believe the majority of law abiding gun owners have no problem with some form of licencesing to purchase like we ‘ve had for years just not the registry.

  23. We live in a police state now

    if It’s only cost vs mass sheeping
    Infinite money will be spent because its OUR money not theirs

    This was just a smoke screen to fool the masses into thinking we actually live in a democratic voice

    Don’t believe me? – all the facts are there it was a flop financially, but in the real implementation it was a success
    they disarmed the people making themselves untouchable in all accounts and stripping us the ability to defend ourselves and to even FEED ourselves.

    We Live in a Police state where the storm troopers call the shots
    at this rate only they will be allowed cars

  24. Everyone including the PM was questioning the validity and logic behind it
    well DUH, if we were to SWALLOW the reason they give us – of course ITS FLAWED !

    but the real reason is not your you or me to know
    and I shall prove this by watching the gun registry not only continue but enforced even more then it is

    even though all want it stopped
    but the Gestapo

    and the SS will win

  25. if you guys want some good reading of what some writers on the web are saying about the long gun registry, you should check out this article that was posted on the sympatico web site. it was written by a women named daniela syrovy. it is in the news section under coffee talk.
    it was the most uneducated article i have ever read about gun control. the facts where way off, and her views (which i found very insulting to hunters) almost made me puke.
    i have grown up hunting and share this passion with my daughter and son. it is the best way to communicate with them without all the game boys, texting and cell phone chats.
    i have members of my family who are peace officers, and find the registry has done nothing to prevent the crimes that are going on. there aproach is that behind every door is a gun, and treat it so. that is why they are still here today.
    i am glad jeff that you have the gonads to speak out on this issue.
    thanks for my rant.
    ps. love the gun too. glad you inherited it from you uncle and not gone to the scrap bin.
    cheers jaye

    1. J, thanks for note and for the info on that article…I guess one way to help beat this thing is by continuing to expose the ignorance in people just like the woman you mentioned.

      Outdoorsguy

  26. just more f@#$%@#$ idiots talking SH&# about things they know nothing about, for some reason, you can tell lies in this country and no one will take you to task

  29. lol you got me there i only report what i know just like you .. but every one belives everything today .

  30. yes they do Chessy, just look at all the Animal Right’s people out there for example..ugghh, speaking of which, I actually received a press release from Sea Sheppard yesterday…not sure how that happened, I guess they want me to continue spreading the good news about their org…

    Outdoorsguy

  31. jeff your comments about fear are good ones. that also would apply to people who have never owned or used a firearm and when they read about a murder or shooting spree they believe that guns are the culprit. so if nobody owns a gun then these events would go away and never happen. which is crazy in itself. everybody has knives right, kitchen knives people are comfortable with because they grew up with them. not so with firearms.

  32. i hope that report was printed on bath room tisuse if not its going to be a little hard on the back side jeff… but i know you will take one for us hunters …. cheers …

  33. I’ve written many letters, emails to MP’s, signed petitions, joined hunting and firearms clubs. I have done what I legally can, Is that enough for Bill C391 to succeed? My Father tells me he was the same as a younger man but now is tired of fighting and has given up on our system. Sad for me to see him like this. How far do we go to keep our hunting / firearms from being taken away?

    1. Sorry bush24, for taking so long to approve your comment, it slipped though somehow.

      Yes, that is really sad and I wish I had an answer for you.

      Outdoorsguy

  34. A message from the Fireams Association:

    Firearms Association
    Canada’s most effective firearms organization
    Box 52183, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2T5 Telephone: 780-439-1394
    Toll Free: 1-877-818-0393 http://www.nfa.ca

    For Immediate Release 25 Aug 2010

    OPERATION ZERO TOLERANCE

    Zero Tolerance on Gun Control Abuses

    Canada’s National Firearms Association announces Operation Zero Tolerance to expose planned gun control abuses. It has come to the attention of Canada’s National Firearms Association that the political police chief heads of law enforcement associations are planning a nation wide blitz against licensed firearms owners, as retribution for the political action of the Canadian firearms community that has resulted in the final vote in parliament of Manitoba MP Candice Hoeppner’s Bill C-391.

    The Canadian Association of Police Chiefs (CAPC) has formed a “National Firearms Policy” in order to coordinate enforcement initiatives against licensed firearms owners with registered firearms. Canada’s National Firearms Association has information that CACP will be directing their members to clamp down on licensed firearms owners with registered firearms as punishment for their political action to reform bad firearms control laws.

    * All paperwork offenses will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, despite the current limited federal government amnesty which ends in May 2011.

    * Home inspections will be performed on an ever increasing basis on firearms owners with more than ten registered firearms, and all restricted and prohibited firearms owners.

    * Registered firearms will be seized despite their legal use or status, with the onus put on their owners to navigate the firearms bureaucracy and legal system in order to retrieve them. Furthermore, CACP will lobby for a national handgun ban, the confiscation of all registered handguns in Canada, and the reclassification of all semi automatic firearms as “Restricted” or “Prohibited” firearms.

    CACP lobbyist Bill Blair’s record as Chief of the Toronto Police Service is an indication of the treatment by law enforcement he wishes to impose on all Canadians. As Chief of Police, Bill Blair ordered Toronto Police Service to target senior citizens and confiscate their firearms for paperwork offenses, and conduct a campaign of harassment against anyone with a firearms license and a registered firearm.

    Canada’s National Firearms Association advises all firearms owners:

    *Check the expiration date on your firearms license, and make sure it is valid. Allowing a firearms license to expire is a criminal offense subject to criminal code punishment, especially if you own restricted or grandfathered prohibited firearms. Allowing a firearms license to expire may result in the loss of your grandfathering privileges.

    *Check your current firearms storage system. Read the Firearms Act and ensure that your firearms storage system complies or exceeds safe storage regulations.

    *Review your current firearms transportation methods and check the expiration date on your authorizations to transport firearms in the case of restricted firearms and prohibited handguns. Make sure you are in full compliance or better with firearms transportation regulations.

    *Contact the Canada Firearms Centre and ensure that your firearms registration records are complete and accurate. Make sure all of your transfers and acquisitions have been recorded correctly. If they are not, you will be held accountable, not the Canada Firearms Centre.

    IF YOU HAVE BEEN TARGETED AND CHARGED UNDER THE POLITICAL POLICE CHIEF’S GUN BLITZ, CONTACT CANADA’S NATIONAL FIREARMS ASSOCIATION AT (877) 818 – 0393. or visit us on the web at: http://www.nfa.ca. Each incident will be catalogued and brought to the attention of the Minister of Public Safety of Canada, to demonstrate the gun control agenda of the political police.

    For more information contact:
    Blair Hagen, Executive VP Communications, 604-753-8682, [email protected]
    Sheldon Clare, President, 250-981-1841, [email protected]
    http://www.nfa.ca
    Canada’s NFA toll-free number – 1-877-818-0393

  35. so these Chiefs of Police seem to think that they run the country.
    First of all, they need the rank and file on board, and I don’t think they are.
    Second they need the Crowns on board, I doubt they are.
    And now that they are making this public, would the association and members not be open now for lawsuits
    for harrasment of law abiding citizens, if in fact they go ahead with this poice state action

    1. Iggy, do you know what the current status of the long gun registry is….I mean, is there actually a chance it may not be scrapped??

      Outdoorsguy

  36. i seen a story that the computer company that built the regestry was a big contributer to the chief assosiation

  37. jeff, hope this is not against the rules, but I found this article somewhere online:

    Police chiefs are cooking the gun stats

    By Barry Glasgow

    Why should anyone believe anything that politically motivated police chiefs say

    about the gun registry?

    For one thing, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) has received

    donations from CGI, the same group contracted to work on this computerized

    system.

    For another, they have consistently distorted the truth on this issue and many

    of these Chiefs have publicly expressed their desire to ban guns.

    In August of 1997, the CACP issued press statements claiming that long-gun

    registration was necessary because analysis of RCMP data showed that 52% of

    firearms “found at crime scenes” or “in more than half of the criminal

    incidents” were rifles and shotguns.

    Both Ottawa police Chief Brian Ford and Winnipeg’s Chief David Cassels (known

    supporters of Canada’s anti-gun lobby) have gone so far as to say that the

    firearms were “used” in those incidents.

    But the RCMP had refuted this spin six months earlier when the Coalition for Gun

    Control asked them to authenticate their analysis.

    Rather than the 623 firearms claimed, at most 73 firearms could actually be

    viewed as “involved” in the incidents – the majority being unrelated gun

    collections recovered during investigations that may not even involve guns.

    Despite RCMP concerns over this gross misrepresentation of their data, CACP

    representatives continued to promote this view during a Justice Committee

    hearing on November 24th, 1997 and at every opportunity leading up to the

    Alberta Court of Appeal constitutional challenge of this registry.

    During a similar rally around the registry in January of 2004, CACP

    vice-president, Ottawa Police Chief Vince Bevan claimed that; “Every day it’s a

    problem for us”, “these guns are commonly used in crimes” and “place police

    officers and citizens in danger every day”.

    Meanwhile, CACP president Edgar MacLeod continued the same spin-doctoring that

    convinced legislators to push for this farce 10 years earlier.

    Using selected data from 2002, Chief MacLeod hid some significant facts in order

    to paint a rosy picture for the floundering registry;

    While “.. incidents involving firearms, ranging from homicide to domestic

    violence and suicide, are the lowest in 30 years”, we should know that, of the

    149 gun killings that year, handguns accounted for two-thirds, up from about

    one-half during the 1990s and one-third prior to 1990.

    The gun murder rate has fluctuated quite a bit over the past 30 years.

    There have been times before long-gun registration that gun murders were about

    as low as they are now as well as periods after registration where they have risen.

    He also failed to mention that gun suicides were replaced and surpassed by hangings.

    And, despite MacLeod’s platitudes, 23% more women were killed by their partners

    in 2001 than were killed the previous year – long after the registry was in

    place.

    McLeod also used some creative spin to “prove” how the registry supposedly

    caught a “large, sophisticated trafficking ring”.

    The 23,000 “guns” in question were predominantly parts for long and heavy World

    War II Garrand rifles that are never used in crime and which are not even

    restricted here in Canada.

    They were being duly registered by the U.S. company that rebuilds these rifles

    for collectors and World War II actors in order to get around recent

    restrictions imposed by the U.S. Bureau of Tobacco and Firearms.

    The CACP has continued to overstate police usage of the system when they know

    perfectly well that the registry is automatically accessed when patrol officers

    run automobile plates on their computers.

    Current CACP president William Blair (an avowed foe of gun owners in Toronto)

    says that the Chiefs’ support of the registry is not political.

    Far from it!

    His track record on this political issue is what got him that position in the

    first place.

    1. Interesting article Chessy, thanks.

      Sorry to hear about your dog btw..thats a real shame.

      Outdoors

  38. Thanks trapper, very informative scary but informative. We are still in Canada right?? There was a very good commentary in the Ottawa sun today by Monte Solberg and i quote “I completely understand why police chiefs are happy to impose a long gun registry on regular law abiding Canadians. it costs them absolutely nothing to do it.” and ” the police chiefs counter by saying their officers check the registry 11,000 times a day. You’ll note the chief’s don’t boast about the number of crimes prevented by their checking. That’s because the people who register firearms tend to respect law. The bad guys don’t register and therefore can’t be found on the registry even if it is checked a million times a day. That’s why despite having the registry police officers still treat every standoff as though there are firearms on site even if there aren’t any registered to the homeowners. It seems that despite police chief rhetoric the registry isn’t so effective that they would actually let their officers make important decisions based on information in the registry. Then again it doesn’t cost the chiefs anything so why not keep it and check it 11,000 times a day?” end quote. Monte hit the@$%* nail on the head.

    1. Here’s to Monte Solberg and the SUN for daring to take the ‘road least travelled’

      Outdoorsguy

  40. and these Chiefs of Police leave out the fact that the 11,000 times a day is only because it’s an automatic check every time they punch a name or a car license plate number into the police computer, even if the officer doesn’t request it, or read it, it counts.
    What a bunch of low lifes, knowingly feeding the Canadian pubic with misinformation. Sometimes I wonder if their lives had turned one more corner, most of them would have ended up on the other side of the law

  41. they have to have a vote in the house, right now, or as of the last time it was checked, the vote would pass to cancel the long gun registry. However the people for the registry are really fighting dirty now. Jack Layton said yesterday he is going to ask for ammendments, instead of scraping it, however, he also stated again he will not whip his party to vote one way or the other, inlike Ignatious (whatever)
    Layton has a lot of rural voters and farmers that vote for his party and he’s afraid he’ll lose them all to the Conservatives if he forces his MP’s to vote to keep the registry

    then it goes to the Senate if it passes, but the Senate is now controled by the Conservatives so that shouldn’t be a problem, then back to the house for a final vote

  42. why are my comments always awaiting moderation now, never were before, am I on a blacklist?
    and who moderates them, the Chiefs of Police?

    1. Iggy, as far as I can tell…it has to do with word choice…ie…certain words get ‘flagged’ while other words do not…don’t take it personally, though, it has nothing to do with you..

      And if you (or anyone else) sees your comments sitting there ‘waiting to be approved’..dont read anything into it, it doesnt mean a team of CIA experts are pouring over your message, it simply means I’m away from my PC.

      Outdoorsguy

  43. Dr. Jones and the members of the ethics committee were in Montreal in August for two days of meetings around the CACP’s( Canadian Association of Police Chiefs) annual conference when they learned about Taser’s sponsorship and that of others, including a joint Bell Mobility-CGI-Group Techna donation of $115,000, which went toward the purchase of 1,000 tickets at $215 each to a Celine Dion concert on Aug. 25.

  44. ok i have been doing some reading and looking .. i found some information on another site and thought i would do my own research as to make it “my own ”
    this is the website the chiefs of police have on the gun regestry …..

    “TRUTHSANDMYTHS.CA” is registered.

    Domain Name: truthsandmyths.ca (3412626)
    Registered: 2010/04/15
    Last Modified:
    Expires: 2011/04/15

    Registrant: Toronto Police Service (53968)
    Pedja Ljubomirovic [email protected] (77772)
    +1 (416) 808-7106 FAX +1 (416) 808-7102

    Technical: [email protected] (77773)
    ns1.easydns.com 64.68.192.10
    ns2.easydns.com 72.52.2.1
    remote1.easydns.com 205.234.220.154
    remote2.easydns.com 209.200.187.4

    are the police alowed to be involved in politics … im sure some one on here knows 🙂

  45. send this information and question to your local Conservative MP’s, I’m sure they’d love to know, and would make some back room waves, better yet send it to the MP that brought in the bill

    It sickening when you see the Chiefs of Police, fighting in back rooms against the very government that has stood with them on almost every issue. Just goes to prove they are only out for themselves and maybe it’s time for this government to back off some of their law and order advances

  46. what kills me iggy is that the toronto police service is pay for the chief of police stuff…oops should have said the tax payers of the city that runs the country toronto

  48. I like the scenario where they are about to a do drug bust so they check the registry to see if there is guns in house so the bust can be planned accordingly. What, if there isn’t any guns in the house do they just ring the door bell usually. Come on give me a break! The other one I liked where the kid was “gonna slash throats with a knife” he had no guns, but I wonder if they took all the knives out of the house.

    I will definitely send this web site to my MP

    Thanks for the work chessy!

  50. who do i send it to .. im sure they are aware of who owns/runs the web site… who o i send it to ..

  53. don’t assume they know, a lot of these guys have never even seen a gun before, they lead a very sheltered life

    1. Well, not to get you guys going even more about the government, but in case you haven’t heard as of midnight tonight, the ON Gov’t is slashing our automobile insurance by 50%…

      You may not even notice it happening…until one day you have a serious accident.

      Thats nice eh..and we’re already paying on average 25% more for insurance than the rest of Canada!!

      Check it out, only if you wanna piss yourself off:

      http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada/2010/09/01/15210091.html

      Outdoorsguy

  55. Sent Pierre Polievre and conservative party of canada an e-mail with that web site with some comments, lets get this rolling guys. gotta go i think stephen’s at the door…..or is it the police chief??

  56. Another article in Ottawa sun today written by Bryn Weese “top cops don’t see eye to eye on gun registry” Ottawa police chief Vern White, takes issue with registry advocates- including top brass saying the registry’s accessed 11,000 times a day. ” I don’t buy that line” adding most of the hits to the registry are automaticly generated. ( like iggy stated earlier)
    Calgary police chief Rick Hanson told parliment’s public safety committee this spring he thinks the registry is flawed and fails to tackle th real issues of gun violence. ” no dirrect links have been made between the exicting gun registry and the behavior of criminals” B.C. top cop, Bob Rich an urbanite with no hunting background also thinks the registry misses the real gun problems plaguing his community. BUT Mark pugash spokesman for toronto police chief Bill Blair said it is only one important tool to tackle gun violence. Dissenting voices ,he said ,don’t quash their argument that the registry is good value for money at 4 million a year and is an important crime fighting tool. Now my question to throw out. Figure the police chief in Toronto is the leading force in support for keeping the gun registry in some ignorant way to try and keep the peace in his crime riddelled city? Three police chiefs have spoken out against it now, hopefully more will very soon.

  57. I have not hunted or even fired a firearm for over 18 years. I have two shotguns and a 30.30 rifle which used to hunt with. I have never commited a crime with a gun nor will I ever. I made the mistake many years ago of registering my hunting guns. They were actually my Dad’s guns passed on to me. He passed away in 1998 and the guns were at my parents home. I moved to another province and since I did not plan to hunt I arranged to have them stored at my best friend/hunting buddies house. Apparently my gun owners registraion had expired in 2009 and I was unaware until March 2011 at 9:00pm on a Sunday night when I received a phone call from a provincial police officer telling me I was in violation of a criminal code for not renewing my licence. I nicely told him the truth and he responded with I’m in violation of another criminal code since the guns were not in my possesion. I have been trying to have them transferred to my friends possession licence but he was unaware that his had also expired and had to take a course to renew his license which of course takes some time. In the past two weeks (this is June 2011) I have received two messages on my answering machine upon returning from work from the same officer telling me that they are prepared to take this to the next level (whatever that might be) if it is not resolved right away. Why am I being treated like a criminal? I used to be a hunter, my guns are in very safe hands and I am being harrassed.
    Way to go gun registry and officer nothing else to do but harass innocent people. Go catch the criminals and leave us law abiding citizens alone!!!! There are shootings in the cities everyday. Go try and catch them or is that too much work. I guess we are easy prey for the lazy.
    It makes me sick!!!

  58. Well, i hope the registry get’s thrown out real shortly, so it does not cause anymore grief for law abiding citizens.

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